Many of the financial analysts covering Apple, Inc. (Nasdaq: AAPL) have become so increasingly bearish on both the technology sector and the economy as a whole that they have lost complete touch with any degree of financial reality. Analysts such as Kathryn Huberty of Morgan Stanley actually believe that Apple will only sell 1 million iPhones and 8.5 million iPods this quarter - way below consensus estimates and the current iPhone run rates.
Other bearish analysts include BMO Capital analysts Keith Bachman who recently cut his price target on shares of Apple from $160 to $140 citing relative weakness in revenue upside for the year, Bernstein Research analyst Toni Sacconaghi who has been quite vocal of his belief that Apple will miss its 10 million calendar 2008 iPhone target by as much as 2.1 million units despite reassurance by Apple's own Steve Jobs (CEO), Tim Cook (COO) and Peter Oppenhiemer (CFO), and finally, Friedman Billings Ramsey chip analyst Craig Berger who believes Apple has significantly reduced its build orders for its Macintosh computers by 50% for the quarter despite evidence suggesting that Mac sales are up 60% in the month of February alone.
Each of these deluded analysts have led to significant pullbacks in shares of Apple over the past few months, and in this article, I set to demonstrate just how wrong these overpaid analysts can be. While I do not work at Morgan Stanley, BMO Capital or Bank of America as a high flying analysts, I am going to publicly parade just how much better I am at this job than they are.
According to analysts polled by Thomson Financial, the street is forecasting an earnings per share gain of $1.06 on $6.95 billion in revenue for the quarter (Fiscal Q2 2008). The highest estimate on the street is calling for $1.18 in EPS on $7.20 billion in revenue while the lowest estimate is for $0.94 in EPS on $6.65 billion in revenue. Furthermore, the street is generally looking for Mac sales to fall from 2.3 million units in Q1 to 1.9 million units in Q2 as a reflection of both a slowdown in consumer spending and normal seasonality. Finally, the street is generally looking for sales of 1.5 million iPhones and 9.7-10.5 million iPods for the quarter.
Apple, Inc. Q2 2008 Earnings Estimates
Despite the general bearish outlook exhibited on Wall Street, I am looking for Apple to significantly beat both its quarterly guidance and analyst expectations. I am forecasting earnings of $1.33 in EPS on $7.587 billion in revenue. I am looking for Apple to sell 2.350 million macs, 11.3 million iPods and 1.7 million iPhones. I am expecting gross margins to rise to 36%, operating expenses to be $1.160 billion, OI&E to be $200 million, COGS to be $4.856 billion and I am looking for $1.204 billion in net income after provisions for income taxes of $567 million (32%).
In terms of Apple's operating segment information, I expect Apple to produce $3.643 billion in revenue from Mac sales (2.350 million macs at $1,550 ASP), $1.9436 billion in iPod sales (11.3 million iPods at $172 ASP), and a total of $2 billion derived from its other operating segments (this includes revenue Apple recognizes through its other music related products and services, iPhone and related products & services, peripherals & other hardware, and software, service and other sales).
Pro Forma Financial Statement (in Millions except per share data)
Revenue............................................................................................$7,587
Cost of Goods Sold...............................................................................$4,856
Gross Margin......................................................................................$2,731 (36%)
OpEx.................................................................................................$1,160
Operating Income................................................................................$1,571
OI&E...................................................................................................$200
Net, Before Taxes................................................................................$1,771
Taxes.................................................................................................$567 (32%)
Net Income.........................................................................................$1,204
EPS.....................................................................................................$1.33
Segment Information & Product Summary
Macintosh Sales: $3.643 billion
iPods: $1.9436 billion
Other Music Related Products & Services: $600 million
iPhone: $400 million
Peripherals: $420 million
Software: $580 million
Total Revenue: $7.587 billion
Supporting Arguments
The basis of my forecast is rooted both in comparison trends between how Apple has guided in the past as compared to what it has actually earned over the past several quarters as well as the currently available data regarding each of Apple's operating segments. The analysis on the historical guidance trend, set out below, should be viewed as merely supportive of the operating segment conclusions and not as leading to the conclusions, laid out in this article, in and of itself. In other words, the guidance data trends merely provides further evidence in support of the conclusion that Apple will report sales of 2.35 million macs and 11.3 million iPods rather than being conclusory of those results.
The historical data suggests that Apple is ultra-conservative in its guidance on some of the line items of its income statement and actually a little overly aggressive on others. I will first walk us through the various trends in Apple's guidance compared to its earnings on each line item, and will then discuss how the available data tends to support my earnings forecast.
Revenue
On average, over the past five quarters, Apple tends to beat its own revenue estimates by 8.50%. Considering the fact that Apple is known to be a very conservative company when it comes to offering guidance, it is likely the case that it will guide even more conservatively this quarter due to the fact that it has probably built into its guidance, the possibility of a slowdown in consumer spending. As economists continue to forecast recession for the first half of 2008, Apple's management has likely conservatively calculated this possibility into its guidance even though it might believe that a slowdown in consumer spending will have a marginal impact on its earnings. Based on the trends below, and the supporting arguments for the segment data, Apple should probably see close to $7.5-$7.6 billion in revenue for the quarter. The figures below compare Apple's revenue guidance with its actual results for the past five quarters (in millions):
Q1 2008: $9,200 v. $9,608 ($408 or 4.4% beat)
Q4 2007: $5,700 v. $6,217 ($517 or 9.0% beat)
Q3 2007: $5,100 v. $5,410 ($310 0r 6.0% beat)
Q2 2007: $4,850 v. $5,264 ($414 or 8.5% beat)
Q1 2007: $6,200 v. $7,115 ($915 or 15% beat)
Gross Margin
Sandbagging. This is exactly where Apple's reputation of giving conservative guidance has been created. By giving ultra conservative gross margin guidance, Apple is able to continuously beat its EPS expectations by the staggering 47% margin we have seen over the past five quarters. The trends in Apple's conservative gross margin guidance coupled with reports that Apple is seeing better than expected component pricing for the quarter supports my forecasted 36% gross margin percentage stated above. Moreover, Apple offered $100 in store credits to nearly 1 million iPhone customers at the end its fiscal third quarter which undoubtedly put some pressure on overall gross margins during Q4 of 2007 and Q1 of 2008. According to Apple, the vast majority or nearly all of those store credits have been redeemed which suggests that gross margins should see a lift in the quarter. Also, as noted below, Apple tends to have its best quarter in terms of gross margin percentage in the middle of the year. Finally, and most importantly, Apple has guided for 32% gross margins for the quarter. The only other time Apple has guided for 32% in gross margins was in Q3 2007 where it reported a mind-numbing 36.88% in gross margins. As noted in the trends below, Apple tends to beat its own gross margin estimates by an average of 4% thus allowing them to regularly beat EPS expectations:
Q1 2008: 31.0% v. 34.68% (368 basis point beat)
Q4 2007: 29.5% v. 33.61% (411 basis point beat)
Q3 2007: 32.0% v. 36.88% (488 basis point beat)
Q2 2007: 29.5% v. 35.13% (563 basis point beat)
Q1 2007: 28.3% v. 31.20% (290 basis point beat)
First, notice how Apple tends to produce better margins in Q2 and Q3 over Q1 and Q4. This is due mainly to two factors. One, Apple tends to get better component pricing in the spring and summer quarters due to pricing pressures caused by seasonality in demand. Two, Apple gets a better product mix in the spring and summer i.e. a larger portion of its sales are high margin products such as Macs while the winter and fall quarters are met by large quantities of low margin iPods - Christmas gifts in the winter and new generation iPods in the fall. Secondly, notice Apple's guidance. This quarter Apple is guiding for 32% in gross margins - this matches the highest estimates it has given over the past 5 quarters. Finally, to reiterate, favorable component pricing, high sales of the MacBook Air, elimination of the iPhone store credit, and Apple's trend in guidance support a 36% gross margin percentage - probably conservatively so.
Operating Expenses (OpEx)
In terms of operating expenses, Apple is pretty consistent in guiding $40 million less than what it actually reports. In other words, Apple tends to be on the aggressive side when it provides guidance on OpEx. My forecast is consistent with this trend of under-performing when it comes to OpEx. Apple is guiding for $1.120 billion in operating expenses for its fiscal second quarter. Yet, based on the current trend, Apple should see closer to $1.140 billion in OpEx for the quarter. It remains to be seen whether Apple will break out of its trend of over-promising and under-delivering on OpEx. Until they do, I think it's prudent to be conservative on the estimates. Below is the trend of Apple missing on its operating expense guidance by $40 million (in millions).
Q1 2008: $1,165 v. $1,206 ($41 million miss)
Q4 2007: $990 v. $1,030 ($40 million miss)
Q3 2007: $915 v. $954 ($39 million miss)
Q2 2007: $800 v. $863 ($63 million miss)
Q1 2007: $920 v. $898 ($22 million beat)
OI&E and Taxes
OI&E is relatively easy to predict as Apple consistently beats its OI&E guidance by $5-10 million each quarter. As Apple continues to pile up its cash ($18 billion), it will continue to collect larger amounts of interest on its war-chest. For the quarter, Apple is guiding for $190 million in OI&E which basically means it will report between $195-$200 million. I am looking for $200 million due to the recent pile up of cash in Q1. In terms of taxes, Apple consistently records a 32% tax rate with the occasional favorable quarter helping earnings to the upside. The data below marks the trend in Apple's consistent conservative guidance in OI&E to the tune of $5-10 million (in millions):
Q1 2008: $190 v. $200 ($10 million beat)
Q4 2007: $165 v. $170 ($5 million beat)
Q3 2007: $150 v. $155 ($5 million beat)
Q2 2007: $143 v. $148 ($5 million beat)
Q1 2007: $120 v. $126 ($6 million beat)
Earning Per Share (EPS)
The historical trend in Apple's guidance versus actual earnings tends to suggest that Apple will earn over $1.30 in EPS this quarter. The trends in the data also tends to support my forecast of $1.33 in EPS. First, Apple tends to beat its own EPS guidance by an average of 47% over the past five quarters. Secondly, the trend in quarter over quarter seasonality between Q1 and Q2 of 2007 suggests that Apple should see a 23.7% decline in EPS between Q1 and Q2 of this year.
As a matter of fact, Apple should see better seasonality this year considering the fact that Apple released the new MacBook Air, a 16 GB iPhone, and a 32 GB iPod Touch during Q2 of this year while Apple released no new products for sale in Q2 last year. Yet, assuming that Apple sees the same degree of seasonality, earnings should decline from $1.76 in Q1 to $1.34 in Q2 (a 23.8% decline). Alternatively, if Apple beats by the same margin it did in Q2 of last year (58%), it would earn $1.49. Yet, that number is too steep because it is not supported by the current predictions in the segment sales data. Still, the general trend of Apple smashing its conservative guidance tends to support the forecast of $1.33 for the quarter. The data below exhibits the trend of Apple's tendency to offer and significantly beat its conservative guidance:
Q1 2008: $1.42 v. $1.76 (23.9% beat)
Q4 2007: $0.65 v. $1.01 (55.4% beat)
Q3 2007: $0.66 v. $0.92 (39.4% beat)
Q2 2007: $0.55 v. $0.87 (58% beat)
Q1 2007: $0.73 v. $1.14 (56% beat)
iPod Estimates
As noted above, I am looking for Apple to sell 11.3 million iPods at an average selling price of $172. The basis of my forecast is routed in tracking the accuracy of Piper Jaffray senior analyst Gene Munster's iPod predictions based on his analysis of NPD data. Gene Munster has been unusually accurate and has the uncanny ability of being able to predict the number of iPods Apple will sell in any given quarter. He is able to analyze NPD data better than most which results in his ability to predict iPod sales within the few thousands of sales.
For example, in Q1 2008, when other analysts were expecting 25-26 million iPods, Munster forecasted 23.5 million iPods - just 5% above what Apple actually reported. In Q4 2007, Munster accurately forecasted that Apple would sell exactly 10.2 million iPods. Apple reported exactly 10.2 million iPods on the dot. For Q3 2007, Munster forecasted that Apple would see 9.5-10 million iPods on the quarter. Apple reported exactly 9.8 million iPods. Thus, Munster has obviously proven his ability to accurately predict iPod sales far better than Wall Street. The current consensus estimates for iPods falls between 10-10.5 million with several analysts predicting between 8.5-9.5 million. Munster's estimates are based on NPD data while many of these other estimates are based on pure conjecture and nonsense. Kathy Huberty just predicts sales of 8.5 million iPods without any underlying data, logic or reason in support of her conclusion. Munster basis his data on channel checks and NPD data. Who are you going to believe? Based on estimates from Gene Munster on iPod data, Apple would see sales of 11.3 million iPods at an ASP of $172 and record segment revenue of $1.9436 billion.
Mac Estimates
My earnings forecast is based on estimated sales of 2.350 million macs. The basis of this forecast is based on evidence suggests that Mac sales were up 60% year over year for the month February. Moreover, the Mac experiences significantly less seasonality than does the iPod. For example, in 2007, Apple experienced a mere 100,000 unit decline sequentially between Q1 and Q2 from 1.6 million units to 1.5 million units. Yet, as noted above, Apple released no new desktop or notebook computers in Q2 of 2007. In Q2 of 2008, Apple released not only the new MacBook Air, but it also released highly anticipated updates to the MacBook and MacBook Pro lines. This suggests that Apple should see much better seasonality this year than it did last year. This much is clear. Yet, even more importantly is the clear success of the MacBook Air. Since its release, the MacBook Air has held the number one spot, overtaking the MacBook, on Apple's on-line website in terms of best sellers. Last quarter, Apple sold 2.319 million Macs in a relatively slower than expected holiday shopping season. Given that Apple should see better seasonality this year than it did last year, and given the fact that the MacBook Air is selling phenomenally according to several analysts, I am forecasting sales of 2.350 million macs. This number might prove conservative if MacBook Airs end up selling way better than expected.
Disclosure: I own long term 2009 and 2010 call options in Apple. The information contained in this blog is not to be taken as either an investment or trading recommendation, and serious traders or investors should consult with their own professional financial advisors before acting on any thoughts expressed in this publication.

25 comments:
Very nice post. A well thought out and organized analysis. Thanks.
Greg.
I found your review and analysis for Q2 well thought and well presented. Being an strong apple advocate, user, and investor, I enjoy intelligent posts on this company. I will monitor the Q2 results with your post and will enjoy being a regular member of this blog...
To bobchianelli:
Thanks for reading and your kind comments.
-Andy
A concisely and well written analysis.
Still, I think your estimates are high. I would like to know what you estimated for the last quarter earnings to see the percentage by which You are generally off. There were plenty of folks that were predicting above 2.0 eps: and when we got 1.78, well that wasn't pretty. A guy Deagol, who charts web orders very carefully is now predicting 1.18, and he has been very accurate in the past. I think you would do yourself a favor and be a little more conservative. In particular I think your mac number is a bit high. I hope that we make 1.3 plus but I highly doubt it. I'd bet on 1.18 first and actually against anything above 1.27 But would be happy to lose if my bet was less than $500 bucks ;)
This was my prediction for Q4 estimates. I've given estimates for Apple since July 2006. Yet, the problem is, there is no way to verify my esimates, because they are not published.
I will say that I've been pretty accurate for the majority of the quarters (plus/minus a few pennies) with the exception of Q1 2007 and Q1 2008. In both those quarters, my estimates were lower than expectations. I thought $1.62 would be the number in 2008. In 2007, I forecasted $0.92. In 2007, Apple came in at $1.14 and in 2008, they came in at $1.76. So they beat my estimates.
I think what happens with Apple is that some quarters, people get too optomistic (this is what we saw both in Q4 and Q1) and other quarters, people get to pessimistic. For example, I remember that in Q1 2007, no one tought Apple would earn over $1.00 in EPS. Yet, many predicted $2.00 in EPS for Q1 2008. In Q4, everyone was quite optomistic as well, think Apple would earn $1.10 etc.
I remember trying to argue against it and getting shunned for doing so.
Anyhow, here are estimates I found in MS Word on my computer. I must have typed it up before posting it on a message board.
Here are my earnings estimates for Apple's fiscal fourth quarter ended September 30, 2007 (Q4 Fiscal Quarter or Q3 Calendar).
LOW ESTIMATE
Total Revenue: $6.103 Billion
Earnings Per Share (EPS): $0.93-$0.98
Total Mac Sales Revenue: $2.910 Billion
Desktops: 750K @ $1,425.00 ASP = $1.069B
Portables: 1,350K @ $1,364.00 ASP = $1.841B
Total iPod Sales: $1.706 Billion (11.0m units)
Total “Other” Sales: $1.487 Billion
Music Related Products & Services: $630m
iPhone & Related Services: $47m
Peripherals & Other Hardware: $310m
Software, Services & Other Sales: $500m
HIGH ESTIMATE
Total Revenue: $6.387 Billion
Earnings Per Share (EPS): $0.94-$1.08*
Total Mac Sales Revenue: $3.069 Billion
Desktops: 800K @ $1,450.00 ASP = $1.160B
Portables: 1,400K @ $1,364.00 ASP = $1.909B
Total iPod Sales: $1.806 Billion (11.5m units)
Total “Other” Sales: $1.512 Billion
Music Related Products & Services: $630m
iPhone & Related Services: $47m
Peripherals & Other Hardware: $310m
Software, Services & Other Sales: $525m
MY OPINION
Total Revenue: $6.3B
Earnings Per Share (EPS): $1.02
2.1-2.2m Macs & 11.2-11.5m iPods
STREET CONSENSUS
Total Revenue: $6.05 Billion
Earnings Per Share (EPS): $0.85
Total Mac Sales: 2.0-2.1 Million Units
Total iPod Sales: 11 Million Units
Total Accessories: N/A
APPLE'S GUIDANCE
Total Revenue: $5.7 Billion
Earnings Per Share (EPS): $0.65
*The reason I’m giving ranges of EPS this time around is because Apple’s profit margins this quarter is really unpredictable. We’ll have to see what impact the reduction in price of their iMac computers will have on profit margins as well as their expensing of the $100 store iPhone credit which may be as much as a $50M expense.
To anonymous. In terms of computer sales, I think you raise a very good point. It's an issue that I lose sleep over for sure.
Let me point out a few important key elements:
1. Apple sold 1.6 million macs in Q1 of 2007. It sold 1.5 million macs in Q2 2007. It saw seasonality of approximately 100K units or exactly 6.25%. If it sees the exact same seasonality this year, Apple will report 2.174 million macs. 6.25% x 2,319,000 = 144,938 macs. Thus, for some reason, analysts think Apple shouldl somehow see worse seasonality this year than last year?
I really don't understand this point. Even if we discount a slowdown in consumer spending, we still saw those affect in Q4 where GDP slowed quite significantly. So why the greater degree of seasonality?
2. Apple released the MacBook Air as well as MacBook and MacBook Pro updates. One has to see that each of these product updates/released must have had a net impact on mac sales this quarter.
Moreover, if you have noticed, the MacBook Air has been selling phenominally according to Apple's on-line webiste and according to surveying of amazon.com. In further support of this conclusion are reports of Mac sales surging over 60% for the month of February alone.
Thus, even with normal seasonality, Apple would sell 2.174 million macs. But it would rediculous to think that those mac numbers are not going to be impacted to the upside by the MacBook Air.
In terms of offering conservative forecasts, I generally do not do that. I try to give a very close and realistic picture of what I think Apple will report. I could always lower each of my estimates to arrive at numbers I think Apple could easily beat, but then I would be like any other analyst.
But I do see the issue with computers. It does make me feel uneasy to predict that Apple will have a record breaking quarter with mac sales in the midst of an alleged recession.
Andy, better than any research report that I paid $$$ for. Will definitely keep looking out for your insightful information. Keep up the good work! Thanks!
Thanks rockgirl!
I think one of the things that people are missing regarding the SDK is that many developers needed to purchase iphones to test their software.
Common software development practice is to use a SDK iphone emulator but the real proof your application works is when you port your code to the device...in the first 2 days reports said over 100,000 SDKs were downloaded...to be conservative lets say that since the SDK was released another 25k were downloaded. Most mobile application developers purchase a minimum of 2 devices for testing. that leads me to believe that AAPL juiced sales in the 1st quarter by 125k x 2 = 250,000 iphones for development purposes only...
and this is why i believe AAPL stores ran out of stock of iphones...AAPL didnt estimate developer demand.
Thanks for your remarks. I think that's an interesting angle that hasn't been mentioned anywhere. Yet, the thing that concerns me a little about this analysis is that I think at least a portion of those that downloaded SDK were amature developers. But then again, you're numbers only estimate a few hundred thousand phones over the period of time since SDK has been available for download until March 31. It's a very plausible and unique argument. You may very well be right and it would be a pretty big insight if Apple reports that developers caused unexpected demand.
The run-rate in the first two weeks of january suggested 300,000 iPhones every two weeks. But who knows what the run-rate was over the months of February and March where developers got their hands on SDK. It will be something to which I'll be listening very closely during the conference call.
Great analysis. Very useful. You would enhance your credibility, however, if you would just take the time to spell check your writing. There are numerous spelling errors, both in your article and in your replies to comments. Two quick examples: optomistic (instead of optimistic); rediculous (instead of ridiculous).
Keep up the good work...but watch your spelling! :-)
Andy,
You are doing a very good job of managing your site. Your recent information appears very reasonable and given the recent earnings of INTC, IBM, & EBAY the tech sector does not appear to be in as bad a shape as people think.
I do strongly believe AAPL will exceed Q2 estimates and provide conservative guidance for Q3 as usual. No question she's firing on all cylinders and should continue to do so the next few years...so as long as Job's is at the helm.
Thanks for the information you post!
Very good post Andy, well reasoned and thorough in your arguments. It's good to know we're not amongst those deluded dummies (analysts). Keep it up!
Ohh and I get a mention here! haha thanks Anonymous. Although I hope I'm wrong and Andy's right, either way you see it, AAPL is way undervalued.
My web order model (and 2-3 year history) can be downloaded for free here: http://stashbox.org/browse.php?q=user%3Adeagol+aapl
bobchianelli,
Thanks for reading. I hope the info is helpful. The motivation of this blog is to do the homework and allow the readers to draw their own conclusions from my analysis.
Deagol,
Do you have a blog where you state any analysis. I like to consider everything when coming up with my estimates. I noticed from that, anonymous, you're expecting 2.18 million macs for the quarter. I would be very interested in hearing the underlying analysis. I'll definitely take a look at your web order model.
Andy, thanks for your reply. I will try not to take too much space here.
Over the last three years, YoY Mac unit growth has been strong (average of 34%) since the Intel transition was finished. Sequential unit growth from Q1 to Q2 seems to be about flat, on average (after excluding the 2006 Q2 point right in the middle of the Intel transition). Here's the data (units in thousands):
FQ UNITS YoY g QoQ g
2005
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Q1 1046
Q2 1070 2.3%
Q3 1182
Q4 1236
2006
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Q1 1254 19.9%
Q2 1112 3.9% -11.3%
Q3 1327 12.3%
Q4 1610 30.3% (Intel transition ends)
2007
---- ----- ----- ------
Q1 1606 28.1%
Q2 1517 36.4% - 5.5%
Q3 1764 32.9%
Q4 2164 34.4%
2008
---- ----- ----- ------
Q1 2319 44.4%
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Average YoY 34.4% (from Q4 2006)
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Average QoQ -1.6% (excludes 2006)
Applying the average YoY growth to last year's Q2 units results in 2.039 M units for this year's Q2. Applying the slight 1.6% decline to this year's Q1 units results in 2.282 M units. That seems like a sensible range to start with.
The mid point of this range is 2.16 M units. However, we 6 data points for the YoY growth, but only have 2 data points for the sequential growth. The former probably is more reliable than the later. I'll just do a weighted average, where the YoY growth is given 3 times more weight than the QoQ growth:
(2.039*3 + 2.282)/4 = 2.1 M
I agree with you that the MacBook Air is a hit, but I think that it's cannibalizing the MacBook and MacBook Pro to some extent. For this reason I'm pegging the incremental contribution to the previously obtained number at 50 to 80 thousand units.
I realize this is a conservative estimate, but that's the way I like this guessing game. Upward surprises are much more fun than misses, and I still don't think I'm arbitrarily sandbagging anything.
About the reported 60% growth in February, I would like to know how far that can be extrapolated to January and March, as well as outside US retail. My number represents 43% unit growth for the quarter, which I don't think is in contradiction with 60% growth in a sample within the US retail segment for February, oviously the strongest month given the MBA started shipping on 1/31.
I'm sure that you realize that both of our approaches partly share the same flaw: they use past history. The historical record is hardly a reliable indicator, at least to such degree of precision down to a few thousand units. But we all need to grab onto something, whatever we can, to come up with our guesses.
Feel free to email me with any questions you might have about my model's spreadsheet, which I'm sure you'll find horribly complicated at first sight. xD
ahh that table came out really bad, sorry.
and, i forgot to include my email, in case you have questions: tello72 at gmail. i can also send you a nicely formatted version of that table through email.
Thank you for the terrific analysis! It's through sites such as yours that I learn more about due diligence than anywhere else. FWIW, when it comes to Mac sales, I gauge demand by my college kids' buying patterns--steady and growing.
Please comment on the latest article of big build up of iphone inventory in france and europe, and that iphones are not selling there. How would that affect apple's numbers. thanks.
"anonymous said...
Thank you for the terrific analysis! It's through sites such as yours that I learn more about due diligence than anywhere else. FWIW, when it comes to Mac sales, I gauge demand by my college kids' buying patterns--steady and growing."
Thank you for your comments anonymous.
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"anonymous said...
Please comment on the latest article of big build up of iphone inventory in france and europe, and that iphones are not selling there. How would that affect apple's numbers. thanks."
First I should say, that I don't know that I agree with the merits of the article considering the fact that it's based on speculation. If you read the article closely, you will see that no one is directly quoted from Apple.
Secondly, even if it were true that iPhone sales were a total failure in France, it would have no impact on this quarter's earnings results. First, one you must understand that iPhone revenue is recognized under what Apple calls the subscription method of accounting. Under this method of accounting, Apple only recognizes 3/24 or roughly 12.5% of total iPhone sales in any given quarter.
Under this deferred accounting system, Apple literally divides each iPhone it sells by 24 and recognizes 1/24 of the sale monthly until the full sales is recognized. Think of it this way. Imagine you buy a subscription to Time magazine for 2 years or 24 months. Time might accept the full payment up front, but it won't recognize the full 24 month up front payment upon receipt of the payment. Instead, Time will attribute 1/24 of the full payment to each month's magazine it ships to you. The reason they must do this under GAAP accounting is because Time has an on-going obligation to you for 24 months. It would be inappropriate for Time to recognize the full revenue up front.
This is exactly how the iPhone is treated. Because Apple wants to give free software updates to iPhone users in the future, it has to recognize this way. Notice how iPod Touch users have to pay $20.00 for updated software from Apple. iPhone users do not. Thus, under this method, if Apple were to sell 1 iPhone for $400.00 on January 1, then it would recognize roughly $16.67 in revenue from that iPhone sales for 24 straight months. For the first calander quarter, (Jan-Mar), it would recognize exactly $50.00 from that iPhone sale. Does this make sense. It will do this for 24 months until the full iPhone has been recognized.
So, to answer your question, even if Apple were to sell even 200,000 less iPhone in france because sales are collapsing and the world is ending, it will have a nominal if any impact on overall sales.
As a matter of fact, lets see what the impact would be...
200,000 x $400 = $80 million in Revenue for the life of those 200K iPhones.
But... we only recognize 3/24 of those iPhones sold for the quarter. Thus, the amount that Apple would recognize from those additional iPhone sales would be...
12.5% (3/24) x. $80 million = $10 million!
Thus, the total impact of selling 200,000 less iPhones would have a quarterly impact of $10 million dollars.
As it stands, it takes Apple close to $50 million in revenue to produce $0.01 in EPS!
Thus, failing to sell 200K less iPhones would result in 1/5 of 1 penny in EPS!
I hope that answers your question. Also, you should note, that there's no way Apple is selling 200K less iPhones in france. The impact is probably like 50-100K less.
What you must understand is the media perpetuates controversy because it is in their best interest to grab the attention of readers by portraying tragedy, drama and disaster in the news. To what end would it serve the media to just say that everything going great with Apple. Apple, to the media, is like a fallen hero. Or at least, they try to treat the situation as such.
Thus, it is our jobs to be able to determine what is real from what is veiled under sensationalist garbage. The iPhone's lack of sales in France is sensationalist garbage.
Thaanks for reading and I'll be happy answer any other questions you may have.
To Deagol:
I'm writing in article in response to your post.
Zaky means intelligent in arabic. a lot of people will either remember that name after earnings or??
This is literally one of the best financial analysis of a company I've ever read. Bravo Andy! It will be intersting to see how accurate this analysis will be.
If Apple earns anywhere close to $1.30 in EPS, I will be thoroughly impressed with you.
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